Comments on: South Africa: Creationist paradise http://www.reasoncheck.com/2009/07/07/south-africa-creationist-paradise/ Where ideas are Reason Checked Wed, 30 Nov 2011 07:44:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Episode #7 « Primordial Soup http://www.reasoncheck.com/2009/07/07/south-africa-creationist-paradise/comment-page-1/#comment-467 Episode #7 « Primordial Soup Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:54:10 +0000 http://www.reasoncheck.com/2009/07/07/south-africa-creationist-paradise/#comment-467 [...] From http://www.reasoncheck.com/2009/07/07/south-africa-creationist-paradise/ [...] [...] From http://www.reasoncheck.com/2009/07/07/south-africa-creationist-paradise/ [...]

]]> By: The Silent Religious Underbelly of South Africa « Waxing Apocalyptic http://www.reasoncheck.com/2009/07/07/south-africa-creationist-paradise/comment-page-1/#comment-465 The Silent Religious Underbelly of South Africa « Waxing Apocalyptic Thu, 10 Feb 2011 14:51:38 +0000 http://www.reasoncheck.com/2009/07/07/south-africa-creationist-paradise/#comment-465 [...] Teaching Creationism is a very real but surprisingly quiet issue in South Africa. There is a school franchise in SA (I think it’s an international school) called The Kingdom School, which teaches the “facts” of Creationism over science. I know this because I know people who were sent there as children. In fact, a survey in 2009 came away with the result that South Africa is a Creationist paradise. [...] [...] Teaching Creationism is a very real but surprisingly quiet issue in South Africa. There is a school franchise in SA (I think it’s an international school) called The Kingdom School, which teaches the “facts” of Creationism over science. I know this because I know people who were sent there as children. In fact, a survey in 2009 came away with the result that South Africa is a Creationist paradise. [...]

]]> By: Tim http://www.reasoncheck.com/2009/07/07/south-africa-creationist-paradise/comment-page-1/#comment-60 Tim Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:47:37 +0000 http://www.reasoncheck.com/2009/07/07/south-africa-creationist-paradise/#comment-60 Michael: Thanks for your comments. Yes I do - I'll pop it off to you. And thanks for that very interesting link. Michael: Thanks for your comments. Yes I do – I’ll pop it off to you.

And thanks for that very interesting link.

]]> By: Michael Meadon http://www.reasoncheck.com/2009/07/07/south-africa-creationist-paradise/comment-page-1/#comment-59 Michael Meadon Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:08:16 +0000 http://www.reasoncheck.com/2009/07/07/south-africa-creationist-paradise/#comment-59 Oh. See also: http://prometheusongebonde.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/angus-buchan-the-new-messiah-of-the-ignorant-and-gullible/ Oh. See also: http://prometheusongebonde.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/angus-buchan-the-new-messiah-of-the-ignorant-and-gullible/

]]> By: Michael Meadon http://www.reasoncheck.com/2009/07/07/south-africa-creationist-paradise/comment-page-1/#comment-58 Michael Meadon Wed, 22 Jul 2009 10:11:51 +0000 http://www.reasoncheck.com/2009/07/07/south-africa-creationist-paradise/#comment-58 Excellent post Tim. Deeply depressing results though. We <i>really</i> need to do a better job of educating the public. Do you have the full report, btw? Excellent post Tim. Deeply depressing results though. We really need to do a better job of educating the public.

Do you have the full report, btw?

]]> By: C. David Parsons http://www.reasoncheck.com/2009/07/07/south-africa-creationist-paradise/comment-page-1/#comment-45 C. David Parsons Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:22:07 +0000 http://www.reasoncheck.com/2009/07/07/south-africa-creationist-paradise/#comment-45 Darwin once confessed to being a theist, the belief in the existence of a god or gods, in particular the belief that God both created and rules all earthly phenomena. After the publication of the Origin, Darwin charged his original belief in God to the "constant inculcation" (instruction or indoctrination) in a belief in God" during his childhood, which was as difficult to cast down as "for a monkey to throw off its instinctive fear and hatred of a snake." With self-assurance, Darwin purposed in his heart that he would no longer retain God in his knowledge, resolving instead to become an "agnostic." The reader is, therefore, cautioned that, whenever reading books and articles about Darwin, most, if not all, biographical authors are predisposed to depict him in a favorable light, oftentimes allowing pro-evolutionist sentiment to prejudice their work. The Old Testament did not escape Darwin's inflamed rhetoric; concerning the validity of biblical histories (in particular, the Genesis account of creation), Darwin pointedly declared that "the manifestly false history of the earth....was no more to be trusted than the sacred books of the Hindoos (sic), or the beliefs of any barbarian." Thus, Darwin likened the creation of the first man, Adam (Genesis 2:7-25), to a mere fairy tale. As an alternative to the counterfactual history, he summarily disposed of both creationism and God by declaring in the Origin that, once the reader entertains the "volumne (sic) on the origin of species...light will be thrown on the origin of man and his history," meaning that man and apes diverged from a common ancestor through the agency of evolution without the aid or influence of God—there is no God. More at questforright.com Darwin once confessed to being a theist, the belief in the existence of a god or gods, in particular the belief that God both created and rules all earthly phenomena. After the publication of the Origin, Darwin charged his original belief in God to the “constant inculcation” (instruction or indoctrination) in a belief in God” during his childhood, which was as difficult to cast down as “for a monkey to throw off its instinctive fear and hatred of a snake.” With self-assurance, Darwin purposed in his heart that he would no longer retain God in his knowledge, resolving instead to become an “agnostic.” The reader is, therefore, cautioned that, whenever reading books and articles about Darwin, most, if not all, biographical authors are predisposed to depict him in a favorable light, oftentimes allowing pro-evolutionist sentiment to prejudice their work.
The Old Testament did not escape Darwin’s inflamed rhetoric; concerning the validity of biblical histories (in particular, the Genesis account of creation), Darwin pointedly declared that “the manifestly false history of the earth….was no more to be trusted than the sacred books of the Hindoos (sic), or the beliefs of any barbarian.” Thus, Darwin likened the creation of the first man, Adam (Genesis 2:7-25), to a mere fairy tale. As an alternative to the counterfactual history, he summarily disposed of both creationism and God by declaring in the Origin that, once the reader entertains the “volumne (sic) on the origin of species…light will be thrown on the origin of man and his history,” meaning that man and apes diverged from a common ancestor through the agency of evolution without the aid or influence of God—there is no God. More at questforright.com

]]> By: Benjamyn Tan http://www.reasoncheck.com/2009/07/07/south-africa-creationist-paradise/comment-page-1/#comment-44 Benjamyn Tan Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:43:10 +0000 http://www.reasoncheck.com/2009/07/07/south-africa-creationist-paradise/#comment-44 If you prefer we can send you the full tabulated results for the survey. Thanks, Benjamyn If you prefer we can send you the full tabulated results for the survey.

Thanks,

Benjamyn

]]> By: Tim http://www.reasoncheck.com/2009/07/07/south-africa-creationist-paradise/comment-page-1/#comment-43 Tim Tue, 07 Jul 2009 12:03:04 +0000 http://www.reasoncheck.com/2009/07/07/south-africa-creationist-paradise/#comment-43 Thanks for your comments Benjamyn. I created the chart myself since I think a visual presentation of numbers is always more accessible. I used the figures from your press release at http://www.britishcouncil.org/darwinnow-survey-global.pdf, slightly reworked to display an absolute percentage of the population who agree on enough evidence. Thanks for your comments Benjamyn.

I created the chart myself since I think a visual presentation of numbers is always more accessible. I used the figures from your press release at http://www.britishcouncil.org/darwinnow-survey-global.pdf, slightly reworked to display an absolute percentage of the population who agree on enough evidence.

]]> By: Benjamyn Tan http://www.reasoncheck.com/2009/07/07/south-africa-creationist-paradise/comment-page-1/#comment-42 Benjamyn Tan Tue, 07 Jul 2009 11:30:07 +0000 http://www.reasoncheck.com/2009/07/07/south-africa-creationist-paradise/#comment-42 Hello Tim, I'm glad you found the data interesting. I think your piece was really informative. I work with the British Council under the Darwin Now programme and it might be of some interest to you to know that we'll be announcing more results in the coming months. We still have lots of data to analyse. I like what you've done with the data, showing awareness and scientific evidence in a chart form. I was wondering where you obtained your data from? As, we're currently tracking the coverage that the survey has received. Thanks, Benjamyn Hello Tim,

I’m glad you found the data interesting. I think your piece was really informative.

I work with the British Council under the Darwin Now programme and it might be of some interest to you to know that we’ll be announcing more results in the coming months. We still have lots of data to analyse.

I like what you’ve done with the data, showing awareness and scientific evidence in a chart form. I was wondering where you obtained your data from? As, we’re currently tracking the coverage that the survey has received.

Thanks,

Benjamyn

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